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		<title>By: 3 Easy Steps to Alienate a Community &#124; Michael Rosen Says&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 08:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael J. Rosen, CFRE</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael J. Rosen, CFRE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 17:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Iain, thank you for sharing your insights. I have intentionally steered clear of a theological debate for two reasons: 1) as a non-Christian, I&#039;m not qualified to argue Christian theology, and 2) the Salvation Army is free to believe whatever it wants. Don&#039;t get me wrong. The theology of the subject is interesting and worth discussing in appropriate forums. And, I thank you for presenting an alternative theological view to that held by the Salvation Army.

For me, the valuable take-aways from the Salvation Army situation are:

1. Be completely honest with the public.
2. Avoid taking polarizing positions that are not part of the organization&#039;s core mission.
3. Recognize that donors have freedom of choice.
4. Recognize that donors will give to organizations whose mission AND values they can support.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iain, thank you for sharing your insights. I have intentionally steered clear of a theological debate for two reasons: 1) as a non-Christian, I&#8217;m not qualified to argue Christian theology, and 2) the Salvation Army is free to believe whatever it wants. Don&#8217;t get me wrong. The theology of the subject is interesting and worth discussing in appropriate forums. And, I thank you for presenting an alternative theological view to that held by the Salvation Army.</p>
<p>For me, the valuable take-aways from the Salvation Army situation are:</p>
<p>1. Be completely honest with the public.<br />
2. Avoid taking polarizing positions that are not part of the organization&#8217;s core mission.<br />
3. Recognize that donors have freedom of choice.<br />
4. Recognize that donors will give to organizations whose mission AND values they can support.</p>
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		<title>By: Iain Strachan</title>
		<link>http://michaelrosensays.wordpress.com/2012/06/29/salvation-army-official-says-gays-deserve-death/#comment-1733</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Iain Strachan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 11:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, I wonder if I may add a few comments here.  I&#039;m a Christian who fully supports gay rights and same-sex marriage.  I am probably in a minority among Christians, but I believe it is a rapidly growing minority.

The interview seems to have led to the widespread view that the passage Romans 1:18-32 says that &quot;gays should be put to death.&quot; It is lamentable that the Major did not correct that view and, I think, Michael, that you are right in saying he was woefully unprepared for the interview, and bungled it badly. The contentious phrase in the passage is &quot;deserve death,&quot; and it comes some way after the reference to homosexual acts, which itself is not the main point of the passage. The phrase needs to be understood in the context of the rest of the book of Romans - later in ch 3 v 23 it states &quot;ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,&quot; and again in 6:23 it says &quot;The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus.&quot;

Now, I&#039;m not here to preach and say this is what you should believe -- however, I hope that it clarifies the intended meaning of the passage -- that we are ALL spiritually dead sinners, who have the offer of life in Christ. The passage is part of a much larger argument for hope, in the first eight chapters of Romans, not for condemnation.

There of course remains the issue of whether it is saying that all homosexual activity is &quot;a sin.&quot; I once considered this to be true, but have re-evaluated my position on this as a result of evidence -- meeting many gay people whom I am pleased to call my friends and whom I accept, and reading what gay and &quot;straight&quot; accepting Christians have said about the relevant passages.

It would take too long in a post to go over the relevant passages, but it is my opinion having studied them all carefully in their textual and cultural context, that the Bible is actually silent on the issue of homosexual orientation -- that the acts described are not those corresponding to a loving commitment between two people of the same gender. The passage in Romans appears to relate to people who were by nature heterosexual, but who abandoned them in favour of homosexual acts. I am convinced that many people are homosexual by nature, and for them it is not a case of &quot;abandoning natural desires.&quot;

I am sure the Salvation Army would disagree with me on this, and would state that homosexuality is sinful. However, I do not consider it so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I wonder if I may add a few comments here.  I&#8217;m a Christian who fully supports gay rights and same-sex marriage.  I am probably in a minority among Christians, but I believe it is a rapidly growing minority.</p>
<p>The interview seems to have led to the widespread view that the passage Romans 1:18-32 says that &#8220;gays should be put to death.&#8221; It is lamentable that the Major did not correct that view and, I think, Michael, that you are right in saying he was woefully unprepared for the interview, and bungled it badly. The contentious phrase in the passage is &#8220;deserve death,&#8221; and it comes some way after the reference to homosexual acts, which itself is not the main point of the passage. The phrase needs to be understood in the context of the rest of the book of Romans &#8211; later in ch 3 v 23 it states &#8220;ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,&#8221; and again in 6:23 it says &#8220;The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m not here to preach and say this is what you should believe &#8212; however, I hope that it clarifies the intended meaning of the passage &#8212; that we are ALL spiritually dead sinners, who have the offer of life in Christ. The passage is part of a much larger argument for hope, in the first eight chapters of Romans, not for condemnation.</p>
<p>There of course remains the issue of whether it is saying that all homosexual activity is &#8220;a sin.&#8221; I once considered this to be true, but have re-evaluated my position on this as a result of evidence &#8212; meeting many gay people whom I am pleased to call my friends and whom I accept, and reading what gay and &#8220;straight&#8221; accepting Christians have said about the relevant passages.</p>
<p>It would take too long in a post to go over the relevant passages, but it is my opinion having studied them all carefully in their textual and cultural context, that the Bible is actually silent on the issue of homosexual orientation &#8212; that the acts described are not those corresponding to a loving commitment between two people of the same gender. The passage in Romans appears to relate to people who were by nature heterosexual, but who abandoned them in favour of homosexual acts. I am convinced that many people are homosexual by nature, and for them it is not a case of &#8220;abandoning natural desires.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am sure the Salvation Army would disagree with me on this, and would state that homosexuality is sinful. However, I do not consider it so.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Daily Cfre</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Daily Cfre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2012 15:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It does not surprise me that the Salvation Army believes in a morally polarized universe.  Many people do.  Because I do not share their black and white value system I won&#039;t be donating to them - even if their public relations strategy improves.  For me the mission usually tells the story and the motive behind it is relevant.  Bad people sometimes do good things and vice versa. Certainly there are better ways to express a desire to serve a higher power or spiritual principal than judging a diverse and decidedly heterogeneous (pun intended!) Group as being spiritually dead?! The terming of groups as Bad and Good is a very immature way to see the world Imho. And yes - I am judging too. But that doesn&#039;t mean I think every member of that group agrees with that philosophy or that there is no good in their work.  It does reduce my desire to support them when there are other alternatives that don&#039;t offend me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does not surprise me that the Salvation Army believes in a morally polarized universe.  Many people do.  Because I do not share their black and white value system I won&#8217;t be donating to them &#8211; even if their public relations strategy improves.  For me the mission usually tells the story and the motive behind it is relevant.  Bad people sometimes do good things and vice versa. Certainly there are better ways to express a desire to serve a higher power or spiritual principal than judging a diverse and decidedly heterogeneous (pun intended!) Group as being spiritually dead?! The terming of groups as Bad and Good is a very immature way to see the world Imho. And yes &#8211; I am judging too. But that doesn&#8217;t mean I think every member of that group agrees with that philosophy or that there is no good in their work.  It does reduce my desire to support them when there are other alternatives that don&#8217;t offend me.</p>
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		<title>By: Two Major Factors that Demotivate Donors &#124; Michael Rosen Says&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Two Major Factors that Demotivate Donors &#124; Michael Rosen Says&#8230;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2012 06:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael J. Rosen, CFRE</title>
		<link>http://michaelrosensays.wordpress.com/2012/06/29/salvation-army-official-says-gays-deserve-death/#comment-1713</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael J. Rosen, CFRE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 02:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tom, thank you for sharing your fine analysis of the situation. You said it very well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, thank you for sharing your fine analysis of the situation. You said it very well.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael J. Rosen, CFRE</title>
		<link>http://michaelrosensays.wordpress.com/2012/06/29/salvation-army-official-says-gays-deserve-death/#comment-1712</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael J. Rosen, CFRE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 02:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lorri, thank you for sharing your view of the issue. One good thing to come out of this Salvation Army mess is that the public now has a more complete and honest understanding of the organization&#039;s values. With this knwowledge, donors and prospective donors can make informed decisions about their philanthropy. My hope is that anyone who chooses to boycott The Salvation Army will also choose to transition their support to other social service charities so that innocent people in need are not harmed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lorri, thank you for sharing your view of the issue. One good thing to come out of this Salvation Army mess is that the public now has a more complete and honest understanding of the organization&#8217;s values. With this knwowledge, donors and prospective donors can make informed decisions about their philanthropy. My hope is that anyone who chooses to boycott The Salvation Army will also choose to transition their support to other social service charities so that innocent people in need are not harmed.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Zajac</title>
		<link>http://michaelrosensays.wordpress.com/2012/06/29/salvation-army-official-says-gays-deserve-death/#comment-1711</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Zajac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 18:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The issues raised are twofold.  One being a basic communications issue and the lesson learned from not clearly articulating a position before a controversy starts and having everyone who represents the organization in anyway aware of how controversial issues are internally held and how they are perceived by the external public.  The second issue is the actual belief that supports the Salvation Army in its perception of the spiritual life of anyone who deviates from their belief system, not just this issue of homosexuality.  I don&#039;t know their beliefs specifically on abortion or marriage or adultery or many other fundamental ethical concerns.  But all I require is honesty in expressing their beliefs, not that those beliefs be identical nto mine.  They do not have to agree with my belief system to deserve my donations as long as that belief system does not effect their service to mankind.  If and when it does, they will no longer receive my support.  In a similar way, if anyone feels that their belief system is offensive and unacceptable and this becomes a barrier to giving support, then by all means find another organization that serves the same constituency.  Although I may not agree with all their beliefs, I do admire and respect the services they provide to the needy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issues raised are twofold.  One being a basic communications issue and the lesson learned from not clearly articulating a position before a controversy starts and having everyone who represents the organization in anyway aware of how controversial issues are internally held and how they are perceived by the external public.  The second issue is the actual belief that supports the Salvation Army in its perception of the spiritual life of anyone who deviates from their belief system, not just this issue of homosexuality.  I don&#8217;t know their beliefs specifically on abortion or marriage or adultery or many other fundamental ethical concerns.  But all I require is honesty in expressing their beliefs, not that those beliefs be identical nto mine.  They do not have to agree with my belief system to deserve my donations as long as that belief system does not effect their service to mankind.  If and when it does, they will no longer receive my support.  In a similar way, if anyone feels that their belief system is offensive and unacceptable and this becomes a barrier to giving support, then by all means find another organization that serves the same constituency.  Although I may not agree with all their beliefs, I do admire and respect the services they provide to the needy.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorri Greif</title>
		<link>http://michaelrosensays.wordpress.com/2012/06/29/salvation-army-official-says-gays-deserve-death/#comment-1710</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lorri Greif]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 15:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because of the difficulties members of the LGBT community face with inheritance issues, it&#039;s no secret that they often include charitable giving in their estate plans as a way to accomplish certain goals. 

Perhaps the best response to this issue with the Salvation Army (which is well known for its active planned giving program) is that all the &quot;spritually dead&quot; that have included the Salvation Army in their estates take a truly living action and change their wills, trusts, and pod designations to support another organization.

Just my personal opinion but if you have to make excuses for what you believe, nonprofit or otherwise, you might want to re-evaluate who you are in society.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because of the difficulties members of the LGBT community face with inheritance issues, it&#8217;s no secret that they often include charitable giving in their estate plans as a way to accomplish certain goals. </p>
<p>Perhaps the best response to this issue with the Salvation Army (which is well known for its active planned giving program) is that all the &#8220;spritually dead&#8221; that have included the Salvation Army in their estates take a truly living action and change their wills, trusts, and pod designations to support another organization.</p>
<p>Just my personal opinion but if you have to make excuses for what you believe, nonprofit or otherwise, you might want to re-evaluate who you are in society.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael J. Rosen, CFRE</title>
		<link>http://michaelrosensays.wordpress.com/2012/06/29/salvation-army-official-says-gays-deserve-death/#comment-1705</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael J. Rosen, CFRE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 18:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Truecomfort, thank you for taking the time to comment. Just to be clear, not that you were suggesting otherwise, my post was neither for nor against the boycott of The Salvation Army. However, I do want to point that you are mistaken about the boycott hurting people in need. There are plenty of social service organizations that help the needy AND are more liberal minded than The Salvation Army. If those that boycott The Salvation Army transfer their giving to these more liberal social service agencies, the needy will still receive the help they need.

This is one of the very important lessons of this story: Donors have choices. In this case, it&#039;s not about helping those in need or not. It&#039;s about helping those in need through The Salvation Army OR some other, more liberal, social service organization.

You mentioned that The Salavation Army has helped gay people. Unfortunately, there are also stories about how the organization has not helped or has otherwise discriminated against gay people. That&#039;s what has inspired the boycott movements in Australia and the USA. Again, donors have choices as they seek to help those in need.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truecomfort, thank you for taking the time to comment. Just to be clear, not that you were suggesting otherwise, my post was neither for nor against the boycott of The Salvation Army. However, I do want to point that you are mistaken about the boycott hurting people in need. There are plenty of social service organizations that help the needy AND are more liberal minded than The Salvation Army. If those that boycott The Salvation Army transfer their giving to these more liberal social service agencies, the needy will still receive the help they need.</p>
<p>This is one of the very important lessons of this story: Donors have choices. In this case, it&#8217;s not about helping those in need or not. It&#8217;s about helping those in need through The Salvation Army OR some other, more liberal, social service organization.</p>
<p>You mentioned that The Salavation Army has helped gay people. Unfortunately, there are also stories about how the organization has not helped or has otherwise discriminated against gay people. That&#8217;s what has inspired the boycott movements in Australia and the USA. Again, donors have choices as they seek to help those in need.</p>
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